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Friday, July 20, 2007

Sustaining Change with Chris Lehmann and Christian Long

Chatcast with Chris and Christian:

[11:42:11 AM] David Jakes says: let the chat begin
[11:42:32 AM] Dean Shareski says: Chris L. was challenged to found a school...original buliding was an office building
[11:42:06 AM] Jen says: ty
[11:42:44 AM] Sharon Peters added Pam Lloyd to this chat
[11:42:16 AM] Barbara added Kern Kelley to this chat
[11:42:50 AM] Sharon Peters added Vincent Jansen to this chat
[11:42:51 AM] Dean Shareski says: Orignal plans made it look like a traditional school
[11:42:58 AM] Kern Kelley added gilarow93 to this chat
[11:43:07 AM] Sharon Peters added Vinnie Vrotny to this chat
[11:43:25 AM] David Jakes added Carolyn Foote to this chat
[11:43:59 AM] David Jakes says: Ok, I think everyone is in
[11:44:00 AM] Dennis Richards says: communities of practice come together and disband - share values and ideas and generate knowledge
[11:43:53 AM] Darren Kuropatwa added Ewan McIntosh to this chat
[11:44:14 AM] David Jakes says: CL: Its not about space, its about what you want to do
[11:44:24 AM] Kern Kelley says: Like the tech
[11:44:27 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: What are the essential questions of learning?
[11:44:29 AM] David Jakes says: What are the essential questions of learning?>
[11:44:38 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: "The Dream"
[11:45:06 AM] Sharon Peters says: if we focus on technology rather than essential question - miss the boat - technology NEEDS to be transparent
[11:45:16 AM] David Jakes added Celine Azoulay to this chat
[11:45:21 AM] Sharon Peters says: inquiry-based, project-based learning
[11:45:25 AM] Kern Kelley says: Talk about authentic assessment - once the concrete is set . . .
[11:45:27 AM] Dennis Richards says: she is now taling about twitter - a new tool that 7-8 people acknowledge knowing about
[11:45:43 AM] David Jakes says: If you are doing a presentation, and a chatcast is taking place, you should have your presentation, if in pp, online at Slideshare for those not at conference
[11:45:46 AM] David Jakes says: just an idea
[11:45:56 AM] Carolyn Foote says: great idea David.
[11:46:04 AM] Sharon Peters says: or at least make it available online
[11:46:07 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Chris knew he had 72 hours to figure out how he was going to physically structure a space and find the right personnel for a school whose main focus is "inquiry based, project driven"
[11:46:09 AM] Carolyn Foote says: I wish skype had an area for links too
[11:46:11 AM] Sharon Peters says: I no longer use ppt - I use wikis
[11:46:12 AM] Carolyn Foote says: that logged them in a window on the side
[11:46:26 AM] David Jakes says: PLEASE turn your sound off if you are using Skype!!!
[11:46:35 AM] Kern Kelley says: @djakes : will have to become a given by presenters
[11:46:40 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Carolyn just drop them in.
[11:46:24 AM] Ewan McIntosh says: Not so good for me (200 slides a go)
[11:47:00 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: AEwan Number of slides isn't relevent.
[11:47:03 AM] David Jakes says: If you build a beautful space, kids will act accordingly
[11:47:08 AM] Kern Kelley says: @speters: once google gets Presently out there I'm allll over it
[11:47:11 AM] Carolyn Foote says: Darren, no, i meant, I'd like to have all the links in a little window to the side to go back to later, rather than scroll through the chat or having to delicious them all
[11:47:31 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: The chat will be onlione ... with any links shared.
[11:47:32 AM] Sharon Peters says: @kern - I think I will be too - but now that I have a mac - really want to check out keynote
[11:47:39 AM] David Jakes says: That should be part of the evolution of this
[11:48:05 AM] Kern Kelley says: @speters: depending what you need it for, check out googe page creator
[11:48:06 AM] Dean Shareski says: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scienceleadership.org%2F&ei=JdmgRtaOAqPWefLD_M0B&usg=AFQjCNHDbqy2ap6KQaiWGO2UhRHa3wI4qg&sig2=5OVEMBRh3WWCCXO34LTN2A
[11:48:10 AM] Dennis Richards says: @djakes - how about if you build a meaningful space, kids will act accordingly
[11:48:15 AM] David Jakes says: We dont put the process of learning out there because it is messy, we want to control it, how does this influence school design
[11:48:16 AM] Dean Shareski says: http://www.scienceleadership.org/
[11:48:27 AM] Carolyn Foote says: @dennis I like that
[11:48:45 AM] David Jakes says: The process of learning must be center stage, and school takes place there. Wow
[11:48:46 AM] Celine Azoulay added jim_mcdermott to this chat
[11:48:47 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: They physically designed the space tso that the processes of kids was centre stage.
[11:48:54 AM] Kern Kelley says: educational transparency - a scary thought for most teachers
[11:49:13 AM] Jen says: and for admins too
[11:49:18 AM] David Jakes says: EVery accident is taken advantage of-every hallway is a gallery, every alcove is a secondary learning space
[11:49:23 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Every alcove is a seconday learning space -- I really like that!
[11:49:25 AM] David Jakes says: Christian Long amazes me
[11:49:40 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: His passion is contagious.
[11:49:51 AM] Carolyn Foote says: Wishing I was hearing this session!
[11:50:06 AM] Carolyn Foote says: Is he speaking now? or are both?
[11:50:11 AM] David Jakes says: Both are
[11:50:22 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Both CLong and CLEhmann are speaking together.
[11:50:35 AM] Carolyn Foote says: Ok. Just got back from a 2 hour meeting with architects on our space. I'm following a lot of these ideas--really exciting!
[11:50:39 AM] Sharon Peters says: it is a dream for educators to be able to design a school from ground up
[11:50:46 AM] David Jakes says: Look at the physical space as a framework for what you are building...Christian
[11:50:49 AM] Sharon Peters says: very few of us have that opportunity
[11:50:58 AM] David Jakes says: No kidding, but we should
[11:51:01 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: School 2.0 axioms:
[11:51:07 AM] Dean Shareski added Christopher D. Sessums to this chat
[11:51:15 AM] Sharon Peters says: @djakes - let me know when you are hiring!
[11:51:27 AM] David Jakes says: Sure thing!
[11:51:30 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: (1) Inquiry driven, project based and empowering for all members.
[11:51:35 AM] Barbara says: Can we empty our rooms before school begins and challenge the teachers to start from scratch rather than automatically giving them 30 desks 2 file cabinets etc
[11:51:56 AM] Carolyn Foote says: Cool idea Barbara.
[11:52:09 AM] Christopher D. Sessums says: Howdy all!
[11:52:13 AM] Sharon Peters says: @Barbara - I had a little bit of an opporutnity to do that earlier this year
[11:52:16 AM] Carolyn Foote says: Have you seen Christian's book?
[11:52:19 AM] Sharon Peters says: Hello Florida!
[11:52:20 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Hi Chris S.
[11:52:22 AM] Carolyn Foote says: A lot of great ideas there.
[11:52:23 AM] David Jakes says: Empty their rooms, but also empty themselves, use the empty room and starting over as a metaphor for improved teaching and learning
[11:52:31 AM] Carolyn Foote says: Well, DesignShare's book.
[11:53:00 AM] Christian Long says: to ALL -- thanks for being here and 'there'. thanks for making this transparent! changing the game as a presenter, too (he smiles). Cheers all the way around!
[11:53:09 AM] Kern Kelley says: Inquiry
[11:53:16 AM] Kern Kelley says: oops sorry
[11:53:17 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Not a science school. Takes the besed of science learning -- inquiry, reasearch , presentation, and ...?
[11:53:26 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: besed=best
[11:53:34 AM] Carolyn Foote says: http://www.designshare.com/index.php/language-school-design
[11:53:35 AM] David Jakes says: Thanks Christian, the person helping lead the session (avoid presnter here) has joined
[11:53:36 AM] Christian Long says: Lehmann: "ethos of learning" (bravo!)
[11:53:39 AM] Ewan McIntosh says: Inquiry, Research, Collaboration, Presentation and Reflection
[11:53:51 AM] Sharon Peters says: reflection is an AWESOME core value - George Siemens would like that
[11:54:02 AM] Barbara says: Coolaboration is the missing one darren
[11:54:04 AM] David Jakes says: Stop talking about 21st century worker, but 21st century citizen
[11:54:13 AM] Christian Long says: Let me know if anyone wants to get a copy of "The Language of School Design" (Carolyn mentioned it) -- my colleagues at DesignShare wrote/published it, but I'm a huge advocate (he smiles).
[11:54:22 AM] Kern Kelley says: How similiar is that to the slide Dr. Resnick had up yesterday
[11:54:21 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: (2) Co-Creation of 21st Century Citizen
[11:54:24 AM] Sharon Peters says: good delineation between terms
[11:54:27 AM] David Jakes says: If we only talk about workforce, then we wont get citzens
[11:54:30 AM] Kern Kelley says: the imagine - play - etc
[11:54:46 AM] David Jakes says: if we talk about building citizens, we'll get the requisite "workers"
[11:54:52 AM] Ewan McIntosh says: As Marco Torres' kids would say: Planning, Preparation, Presentation, Pheedback ;)
[11:54:57 AM] Carolyn Foote says: Thanks Christian ;) sorry if I misattributed it. Great book tho.
[11:55:00 AM] Barbara says: citizens is the real point of literacy not work
[11:55:04 AM] Ewan McIntosh says: The Four Ps
[11:55:04 AM] Sharon Peters says: the term worker is an old school value
[11:55:09 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: (3) Technology must serve pedagogy, not the otehr way around.
[11:55:31 AM] Carolyn Foote says: thanks ewan. good set.
[11:55:25 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: (4) Tech must enable students to research create communicate and collaborate.
[11:55:46 AM] Kern Kelley says: research, create, communicate and collaborate
[11:55:52 AM] Carolyn Foote says: and reflect?
[11:56:05 AM] David Jakes added Jim Wenzloff to this chat
[11:56:10 AM] Ewan McIntosh says: yes
[11:56:11 AM] Barbara says: technology is about what it allows the students to do...research, create, communicate, and collaborate
[11:56:24 AM] David Jakes says: Welcome in Jim Wenzloff from Michigan
[11:56:33 AM] Jim Wenzloff says: thanks
[11:56:34 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Hi Jim.
[11:56:39 AM] Dean Shareski says: JIm...do you want to listen live?
[11:56:40 AM] Sharon Peters says: and reflect
[11:56:44 AM] Dennis Richards says: is citizen the old paradigm? c/b 21st century creators/inventors
[11:56:48 AM] Christopher D. Sessums says: don't forget performance, resourcefulness, networking, negotiation
[11:56:50 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Jim is in the room. ;)
[11:56:57 AM] David Jakes says: Nice Dennis
[11:57:05 AM] Dean Shareski says: sorry...saw Michigan and got a little excited
[11:57:10 AM] David Jakes says: oops, sorry Jim
[11:57:12 AM] Jim Wenzloff says: there is a video on this school somewhere
[11:57:22 AM] Dean Shareski says: someone find it
[11:57:37 AM] Christian Long says: question to ALL: what is ONE thing we SHOULD talk about before we shift to the audience sharing ideas (in a few minutes)????
[11:57:43 AM] Christian Long says: tell us...
[11:57:48 AM] Jim Wenzloff says: I;ll look
[11:57:54 AM] Carolyn Foote says: how to bring all the teachers into this concept, Christian?
[11:58:07 AM] Barbara Peskin says: in small steps
[11:57:44 AM] Ewan McIntosh says: The Principal's mum still teaches - that must be rare!
[11:58:16 AM] David Jakes says: What learning space should look like-I want a Starbucksroom
[11:58:16 AM] Barbara Peskin says: what's next step to influence teachers if they are peers
[11:58:27 AM] Sharon Peters says: after one year, what is the ONE thing you would change or do differently?
[11:58:30 AM] Carolyn Foote says: Don't want to design the space and then have the same thing happen behind the "glass" wall
[11:58:33 AM] Carolyn Foote says: that used to.
[11:58:42 AM] Dennis Richards says: what do we do with all the students in schools that can't be rebuilt
[11:58:57 AM] Dean Shareski says: for those not in the room...http://www.flickr.com/photos/shareski/tags/school20/
[11:59:02 AM] Kern Kelley says: Learning - networked and transparent
[11:59:04 AM] Dean Shareski says: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shareski/tags/school20/
[11:59:10 AM] Carolyn Foote says: Great question, Dennis.
[11:59:11 AM] David Jakes says: Chatcast moment: co-leader asks what they should talk about next-participants design learning experience fueled by chatcast
[11:59:28 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: (5) Learning can -- and must be -- networked.
[11:59:28 AM] Carolyn Foote says: cool, isn't it, David :)
[11:59:31 AM] Ewan McIntosh says: You can rebuild a school withouit touching a brick: http://edu.blogs.com/edublogs/2007/05/rebuilding_a_sc.html
[11:59:53 AM] David Jakes says: @Dennis-yes-what do we do now with the spaces we have, what can we do tomorrow to improve
[12:00:01 PM] Darren Kuropatwa added gsiemens to this chat
[12:00:02 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: So we mustn't despair because the Chrises had a new build
[12:00:20 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: The pedagogy going on in the building is more important
[12:00:32 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: Ask Marco Torres' kids who teach in THE school used in any film where "the ghetto" has to feature
[12:00:39 PM] David Jakes says: Good morning George
[12:00:42 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: It makes no difference to them
[12:00:45 PM] Sharon Peters says: After one year, what has been the response of the district administration?
[12:00:49 PM] George Siemens says: Morning...
[12:01:14 PM] Dean Shareski says: George...would you like to listen?
[12:01:21 PM] George Siemens says: sure
[12:00:39 PM] Christian Long says: if you haven't seen it, go to Edutopia and look at "My School, MySpace" article about SLA. OR to DesignShare to read the article Chris wrote for me at the articles section of designshare.com
[12:00:43 PM] Christian Long says: GREAT questions!! thanks!
[12:01:24 PM] Celine Azoulay says: It would be good to hear about the changes that were put in place to make the difference in the layout and design? WQe have only really seen the cafe!
[12:01:39 PM] Dennis Richards says: @ewan - thanks for the link
[12:01:51 PM] Kern Kelley says: I wonder, how much those in the room, are following?
[12:01:58 PM] David Jakes says: Christian is now going to address the one question from the chatcast
[12:02:05 PM] George Siemens says: have a link, Dean?
[12:02:39 PM] Dean Shareski says: @George...can you hear?
[12:02:46 PM] George Siemens says: Dean - yes
[12:03:01 PM] Christian Long says: Ewan -- totally agreed... in fact, there were a TON of challenges with our building. It really is just a metaphor for us.
[12:03:14 PM] Christian Long says: (Although, the colors of the building are cool.)
[12:03:26 PM] Carolyn Foote says: http://www.designshare.com/index.php/articles/science-leadership-academy/
[12:03:48 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Will you lose your job if you go big with innovation? Good question!
[12:04:08 PM] Dean Shareski says: Showing Dead Poets Socieity
[12:04:10 PM] Carolyn Foote says: How important for principals to support innovation?
[12:04:16 PM] Dean Shareski says: Carpe Diem
[12:04:19 PM] Sharon Peters says: carpe diem (but don't die)
[12:04:20 PM] David Jakes says: What is your idea, what is the one thing, carpe diem, but don't die! Take the big leap
[12:04:23 PM] Carolyn Foote says: Our campus is considering an innovation "group"
[12:04:26 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Carpe Diem ... but don't die.
[12:04:29 PM] David Jakes says: but will you be around to tell the story
[12:04:36 PM] David Jakes says: Wiki: What is your dream?
[12:04:36 PM] Sharon Peters says: I call it (and experienced) the tall poppy syndrome
[12:05:17 PM] Kern Kelley says: @carolyn: admin is crucial
[12:04:36 PM] Kern Kelley says: @darren: yes, or even if your job is safe, how will you be recieved by your peers
[12:05:41 PM] Kern Kelley says: Yesterday Alan asked everyone who they thought could be the agent of change
[12:05:51 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: "I wish I could skype cast a lesson"
[12:05:54 PM] Carolyn Foote says: Colleges have "innovation" institutes--why not schools?
[12:05:56 PM] Jim Wenzloff says: The principal is the key to ongoing change in a school
[12:06:00 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: "the power of audidence"
[12:05:59 PM] Kern Kelley says: most felt the students
[12:06:12 PM] Christopher D. Sessums says: @carolyn is your question a rhetorical one? re: how important for principals to support innovation.
[12:06:21 PM] Christian Long says: my ONE wish: when my son goes to kindergarten (4 years and counting)...i have 100% access to his learning experience. no exceptions. today, i have live video into is daycare room...but when he goes to school in 4 years, i will be CUT OFF. how do we change this so ONE parent can go on the learning journey with ONE student?
[12:06:24 PM] Kayla L Guillerault says: We are though we hold all things for teh future jobs and everythign
[12:06:27 PM] Carolyn Foote says: no, a real one. ;)
[12:06:44 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: When every kid is at the centre. Every kids is the speaker and every kids is the audience and the teacher's role is provide though provoking stimulus,
[12:06:47 PM] George Siemens says: Christian - yes, parental involvement is crucial
[12:06:47 PM] Sharon Peters says: sometimes it can only begin in your own classroom - and there has to be room for failure
[12:06:51 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: That's a skypecast.
[12:06:52 PM] George Siemens says: we know the change pressures are there
[12:06:35 PM] Kern Kelley says: I agree, with us the 'movers and shakers' as the political backers
[12:07:08 PM] George Siemens says: but not in a voice "the establishment" listens too
[12:07:15 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: no-one liked Christian in the beginning :(
[12:07:15 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: ;)
[12:07:28 PM] George Siemens says: change pressures are internal/external
[12:07:42 PM] David Jakes says: Which is more critical?
[12:07:42 PM] Carolyn Foote says: If any of you haven't seen High Tech High's building, I"d also recommend that. Glass school.
[12:07:50 PM] Dean Shareski says: @EWan....how so?
[12:07:51 PM] David Jakes says: or are they both equally important, George?
[12:07:57 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: Is there truth in the argument that if it's worthwhile then it will succeed regardless if you're the only one doing it, or do great ideas get lost because we give up too early?
[12:07:57 PM] George Siemens says: I'm not convinced educators have the capacity (systemically driven) to react to changes
[12:08:16 PM] Christopher D. Sessums says: @gsiemens educators as learners and leaders?
[12:08:20 PM] George Siemens says: i.e. change pressure have to be of a nature that the current system listens too
[12:08:21 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: @Dean - I was being flippant. Christian was lamenting his lack of blog audience at the beginning of his blog. We've all been there...
[12:08:23 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Carolyn glass is a great metophor for how we should be doing what we do. Transparent and fragile.
[12:08:27 PM] Dean Shareski says: @George..too often an excuse to do nothing
[12:08:37 PM] George Siemens says: so, we (educators) know what we need to do
[12:08:44 PM] Kern Kelley says: to be a teacher is to be a learner (or needs to be)
[12:08:47 PM] Christian Long says: here is the wiki chris and i created for YOU/US: add your ONE idea...and help others: http://sustainchange.wikispaces.com/
[12:08:47 PM] George Siemens says: but are we being listened to?
[12:08:49 PM] David Jakes added Brian Lockwood to this chat
[12:08:52 PM] Christian Long says: he'll show it on the slide in 2 min
[12:09:01 PM] David Jakes says: Chris said at NECC: What is the worst consequence of your worst idea?
[12:09:03 PM] Christopher D. Sessums says: as educators who is/are our audience(s)?
[12:09:17 PM] George Siemens says: i would suggest when the voice is from parents, (not teachers) progress can be more sustained
[12:09:32 PM] Kern Kelley says: @george: even if we're not listened to, show them the student work - nothing sells them more or ever will
[12:09:34 PM] George Siemens says: because parents=votes which can influence policies
[12:09:42 PM] Sharon Peters says: the difference between two years ago and now is that IF we take a chance with a new approach and experience some kind of failure - we now have a network of experts we can access via our network to help us out - mentor us - be our cheerleaders
[12:09:43 PM] David Jakes says: What will be your elevator pitch to the person who can help you make change happen?
[12:09:46 PM] Christian Long says: glass walls -- ie "transparency" -- a great design metaphor and a real material. can people "see" learning in your classroom without being "in" the classroom?
[12:09:50 PM] Christopher D. Sessums says: we need to educate parents too, no?
[12:09:51 PM] Carolyn Foote says: Easier in smaller districts to create change?
[12:09:52 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: We SEE the arguments going on online and can believe that the only audience we have for the elevator talks are our own echo chamber
[12:09:57 PM] George Siemens says: I absolutely agree - we can't sit and "do nothing"
[12:09:56 PM] Christian Long says: a big school design metaphor and element, too.
[12:09:59 PM] Kern Kelley says: students = parents = pressure
[12:10:05 PM] George Siemens says: we have to exercise our voice where we can
[12:10:28 PM] George Siemens says: but if we are talking systemic change, we have to move beyond
[12:10:30 PM] Jim Wenzloff says: If a teacher implements change and then leaves with the change continue? If not was it a change?
[12:09:58 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: But we only see the visible iceberg
[12:10:09 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: I'm speaking as much to the decvision-makers offline as I am online
[12:10:22 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: It's vital that the top are in for the bottom to be able to Skypecast their lessons
[12:10:13 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: CLong presenting and in the skypecast and folks from across the continent ... what does it mean to be in a PD session today?
[12:10:15 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: After today?
[12:10:42 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Chis Lehmann wish he could skypecast too. ;)\
[12:10:42 PM] Kern Kelley says: We have to exercise the student voice as the change
[12:10:45 PM] Christian Long says: @siemens: we also need to realize that having a 'strategic' voice matters, not just opinions.
[12:10:53 PM] Christopher D. Sessums says: parents need to be involved more in the schooling process. we need to help them identify needs/guide them
[12:10:38 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: We SEE the arguments going on online and can believe that the only audience we have for the elevator talks are our own echo chamber
12:09
But we only see the visible iceberg
12:10
I'm speaking as much to the decvision-makers offline as I am online
Ewan McIntosh 12:10
It's vital that the top are in for the bottom to be able to Skypecast their lessons
[12:11:04 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: We chould get parents in the skypecast.
[12:11:05 PM] Dean Shareski says: dirty secrets...
[12:11:14 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Open them to our classrooms.
[12:11:24 PM] Christian Long says: @sessums: yes, make it so I can follow my 10 month old to school when he is in kindergarten. i do not want to be cut off.
[12:11:25 PM] Carolyn Foote says: yes, Darren. How will this change conferences!
[12:11:30 PM] Sharon Peters says: my experience is that if we focus on the learning gains of our students in our elevator pitch - that will influence the parents/admin
[12:11:53 PM] David Jakes says: Change is nice, but sustaining change is more important...
[12:11:54 PM] Kern Kelley says: have students led conference, tech days everything - anytihng you can think of to expose what the students are doing
[12:11:56 PM] Carolyn Foote says: @christian--devil's advocate--should kids have their own "journeys"?
[12:12:08 PM] David Jakes says: There, he said his favorite quote
[12:12:13 PM] Christopher D. Sessums says: who detrermines learning gains? what is measured? how will it be measured?
[12:12:17 PM] Christian Long says: how many of us help our kids frame a 'business plan' for learning? truly? 'pitch' it to an audience?
[12:12:27 PM] Christian Long says: @jakes: amen to the quote!
[12:12:39 PM] David Jakes says: @csessums, someone in a cubicle in Washington
[12:12:46 PM] Dennis Richards says: ewan, i'm a superintendent and president of a statewide professional org - a start
[12:12:47 PM] Christopher D. Sessums says: ugh
[12:12:51 PM] Sharon Peters says: @kern - yes, I agree - always bring it back to the students
[12:12:56 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: Kids need to have their own learning journeys
[12:13:02 PM] Christian Long says: anyone add their name/URL to the wiki yet?
[12:13:03 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: because they're all different
[12:13:03 PM] George Siemens says: Ewan - agree
[12:13:07 PM] Christian Long says: (go!)
[12:13:20 PM] George Siemens says: challenge is meeting clear aims through decentralized/distributed means
[12:13:27 PM] Carolyn Foote says: @csessums--check out new nCLB bills. Working on a post on that
[12:13:31 PM] George Siemens says: we have targets set by state/province
[12:13:35 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: I need to have my own learning journey because, here in Boston for example, people ask me if I'm a Tech or a Teacher
[12:13:43 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: The culture difference is too HUGE to have a similar learning journey
[12:13:48 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: Because I would never ask that question in the first place
[12:14:07 PM] George Siemens says: but achieving those targets should be personal/flexible
[12:14:12 PM] Kern Kelley says: a techie head with a teacher heart
[12:14:21 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: Nope
[12:14:23 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: Just a teacher
[12:14:32 PM] Kern Kelley says: :)
[12:14:38 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: I would never say that I was a teacher who could write, speak, draw pictures and run fast
[12:14:45 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: oh, and use a computer
[12:14:47 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Ewan if only everyone thought like like. I'm a teacher.
[12:14:51 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: I'm just a teach
[12:14:51 PM] Kern Kelley says: ok, then forget teacher - learner
[12:14:59 PM] David Jakes says: If you have a vsion, do you have the expertise across the table to co-create your vision
[12:15:04 PM] Sharon Peters says: I like that Daniel Pink has given us permission to be hyphenated people - I am an English teacher-educational technologist
[12:15:10 PM] Kern Kelley says: I learn and get to have kids learn with/beside me
[12:15:26 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: In Scottish dialect, esp in the West, we say to kids when we're giving them a lesson: "I'll learn you!"
[12:15:40 PM] Kern Kelley says: very cool
[12:15:48 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: I'll learn you some new stuff about Skypecasting
[12:15:54 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Chris and Christian disagree. Christian thinks putting all the media afforances in one area sucks some of the life out of the building.
[12:15:58 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: Again, it comes to culture, not individuals
[12:16:00 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Chris doesn't
[12:16:03 PM] George Siemens says: not sure who's speaking - but the breakdown of silos is important
[12:16:09 PM] George Siemens says: connections between disciplines
[12:16:13 PM] George Siemens says: more holistic
[12:16:20 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: if you can get the culture right then the individuals' actions begin to reflect bigger goals
[12:16:20 PM] David Jakes says: Chris Lehmann is speaking
[12:16:21 PM] Christian Long says: @darren: ask chris and i to argue about whether there should be 'computer labs'. we disagree on tactic, but not end goal.
[12:16:31 PM] Ewan McIntosh says: more holistic like George says
[12:15:53 PM] Barbara Peskin says: Christian Long 12:11 PM
anyone add their name/URL to the wiki yet?what is wiki address?
[12:17:05 PM] Dean Shareski says: he posted it earlier
[12:17:11 PM] Christopher D. Sessums says: http://sustainchange.wikispaces.com/
[12:17:19 PM] Carolyn Foote says: I did Christian ;)
[12:17:37 PM] Carolyn Foote says: Can silos provide gathering places tho?
[12:17:44 PM] David Jakes says: "When is the last time you sent someone to the pencil lab?"
[12:17:59 PM] David Jakes says: Chris Lehmann quote responding to how he feels about "computer labs"
[12:18:25 PM] Carolyn Foote says: in 1:1 laptop school, don't need labs
[12:18:34 PM] George Siemens says: using a pencil is a bit easier than a computer :)
[12:18:39 PM] Carolyn Foote says: We're building our lab with sliding glass walls
[12:18:43 PM] David Jakes says: if he doesnt like that, why does he have content teachers and tech teachers?
[12:18:45 PM] Carolyn Foote says: so we can open it to other spaces
[12:19:02 PM] Carolyn Foote says: and laptops so it can be fixed or portable
[12:19:03 PM] George Siemens says: perhaps the computer lab isn't about the tool...but rather about the development of competence
[12:19:19 PM] Carolyn Foote says: flexibility is the key?
[12:19:21 PM] David Jakes says: @george, well said
[12:19:32 PM] Dean Shareski says: the issue is awareness and sharing expertise..you might not be an expert but are intimidated to ask without a connected environmnet
[12:19:33 PM] Barbara says: even without one to one i prefer the computers in the classroom...at Jr High we had 15 per class
[12:19:48 PM] Christopher D. Sessums says: something funky going on with wiki page
[12:19:55 PM] Kern Kelley says: we send laptops home 7th/8th graders
[12:20:28 PM] Kayla L Guillerault says: i never go to take my laptop home :(
[12:20:29 PM] David Jakes says: Change is Networked...
[12:21:46 PM] Carolyn Foote says: lol..i just got edited off the wiki
[12:21:47 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: I liked Chris' answer about comp. labs. Nice balance. Learn'em the tech. (Nod to Ewan) The cut them loose everywhere.
[12:21:59 PM] Sharon Peters says: the laptop is a tool - a personal knowledge tool that should belong to the student to customize for peak efficacy
[12:22:02 PM] Christopher D. Sessums says: mee too carolyn
[12:22:19 PM] Kayla L Guillerault says: yeah
[12:22:19 PM] George Siemens says: Sharon - laptop is also an ideology
[12:22:24 PM] George Siemens says: a philosophy
[12:22:28 PM] George Siemens says: a sequence of affordances
[12:22:43 PM] Kern Kelley says: You have it now ;)
[12:22:45 PM] Kayla L Guillerault says: through my 8 and 7th grade year my laptop was my life i did everythign on there
[12:23:03 PM] Sharon Peters says: a marketing tool for schools who have the consumer education approach (me bitter)
[12:23:15 PM] Dean Shareski says: I screwed up the wiki
[12:23:17 PM] David Jakes says: @gsiemens, what do you mean by sequence of affordances?
[12:23:30 PM] Sharon Peters says: I agree most with the sequence of affordances
[12:23:35 PM] David Jakes says: no surprise there Dean
[12:23:44 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: BTW Kayla is a student (9th grade?) I guess I outted you, huh? ;)
[12:23:50 PM] Kern Kelley says: Please note Kayla is an 8th grader (not that it matters!)
[12:23:58 PM] Sharon Peters says: @Darren - I guessed!
[12:24:02 PM] Kern Kelley says: sorry kayla
[12:24:06 PM] Kayla L Guillerault says: its ok
[12:24:08 PM] Carolyn Foote says: combinations are an option--mobile labs that can go to the classrooms, but fixed labs for novices and for bigger projects, speed, etc.
[12:24:13 PM] Carolyn Foote says: hi Kayla!
[12:24:17 PM] Kayla L Guillerault says: hey
[12:24:18 PM] David Jakes says: Welcome Kayla!
[12:24:20 PM] George Siemens says: David - it has, embedded in it as a medium/tool/concept certain thinks which it does well (i.e. affordances)
[12:24:21 PM] Kayla L Guillerault says: hi
[12:24:23 PM] Dean Shareski says: @David Jakes...shall I share the youtube video now?
[12:24:42 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Go ahead Dave. ;)
[12:24:53 PM] David Jakes says: Do it, I want to go viral
[12:24:56 PM] George Siemens says: the laptop, and peripherals we attach, enable different affordances/opportunities
[12:24:58 PM] David Jakes says: Thanks, George
[12:25:20 PM] Dean Shareski says: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lc3NSAM2dJE
[12:25:19 PM] Sharon Peters says: @george and dave - and the affordances that the laptop permits are highly underexplored by most teachers in a laptop setting (in my humble experience)
[12:25:30 PM] Christopher D. Sessums says: frame everything we do in classrooms as an experiment
[12:25:34 PM] George Siemens says: Sharon - yes!
[12:25:40 PM] Carolyn Foote says: @christopher love that idea
[12:25:54 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @George yes. The challenge is to learn/discover/create appropriate pedagogies that exo=plore and leverage those affordances to amplif student learning.
[12:26:02 PM] David Jakes says: @csessums: that goes back to our conversation yesterday about the importance of failure.
[12:26:00 PM] George Siemens says: and part of the reason it's underexplored/utilized is due to conception of tech as too;
[12:26:02 PM] George Siemens says: tool
[12:26:27 PM] David Jakes says: also about "integrating" technology...
[12:26:45 PM] Christopher D. Sessums says: part of the water, baby!
[12:26:51 PM] George Siemens says: Well said, Darren
[12:26:52 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Chris S. Right On! I've always thought of my classroom as a laboratory.
[12:25:40 PM] Christian Long says: (ahead of the end): thanks ALL for being here and 'there'. cheers!
[12:27:09 PM] Sharon Peters says: @george - not sure I agree 100% - a tool for what?? for wordprocessing - yes! for a bit of content creation - maybe, for communication, collaboration and reflection - NO
[12:27:38 PM] George Siemens says: not sure I quite follow, Sharon...
[12:27:59 PM] George Siemens says: i'm saying tech is an instantiation of an ideology
[12:28:00 PM] David Jakes says: What would you have to do to establish a wiki about change in your building or your school district, this is Ewans idea about how public can your public body be?
[12:28:06 PM] Sharon Peters says: in my experience, most teachers have a limited view of what the tool is capable of
[12:28:11 PM] George Siemens says: which in turn generates affordances
[12:28:26 PM] George Siemens says: agree
[12:28:43 PM] Carolyn Foote says: @david ...lol..get teachers to use a wiki??
[12:29:02 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Jakes Infusing may be a better verb.
[12:29:05 PM] Dean Shareski says: Lead by example....Lead by reminder...dont' mandate
[12:29:08 PM] Barbara Peskin says: we have teachers using wikispace
[12:29:11 PM] Barbara Peskin says: kids love it
[12:29:14 PM] Sharon Peters says: yes, and if the laptop is part of a consumer view of education (we have them so students will choose to go to our school) - limits the vision of what the tool can accomplish
[12:29:15 PM] Barbara Peskin says: writing reflections
[12:28:22 PM] Kern Kelley says: in your own 'family' have to have top down support
[12:29:31 PM] Carolyn Foote says: We do too, Barbara...with kids. I see them being willing to use these tools with students more easily than for their own personal learning.
[12:29:38 PM] Carolyn Foote says: Something Will has been talking about.
[12:29:41 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Cheers! clap clap they just finished.
[12:29:46 PM] David Jakes says: They are finished, thanks all, chatcast posted at Strength of Weak Ties shortly...David
[12:29:49 PM] Sharon Peters says: some great questions - implications about the future of education covered in the presentation
[12:29:55 PM] Carolyn Foote says: applause, great skype session!
[12:29:56 PM] Barbara Peskin says: we have teachers using it for professional development class -- not as much "reflecting" as with kids but still works
[12:30:09 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Can you say "intoxicating?"

Keynote: BLC Day 3-Dr. Yong Zhao

Digital Citizenship in a Global Economy: The Internet Revolution and Its implications for Education

I can send this live audio to anyone who isn't here
[8:48:37 AM] David Jakes says: cool
[8:50:31 AM] Dean Shareski says: I've you started a chatcast?
[8:50:38 AM] Dean Shareski says: Have you started?
[8:50:44 AM] David Jakes says: this is it
[8:51:26 AM] Dean Shareski added Barbara, Chris Lehmann, Christian Long to this chat
[8:51:27 AM] David Jakes added bpeskin to this chat
[8:51:42 AM] Dean Shareski says: Where is bpeskin?
[8:52:14 AM] Chris Lehmann says: Hey folks... who is bpeskin?
[8:52:42 AM] Christian Long says: what is bpeskin?
[8:53:51 AM] David Jakes says: Technology redefines talents
[8:54:03 AM] Dean Shareski says: My mic is set up and I can Skype out for anyone not on site...just need to know who to call
[8:58:29 AM] Christian Long says: is this the keynote skype?
[8:58:37 AM] David Jakes says: yes it is
[8:58:44 AM] Christian Long says: lehmann and i are in lobby (in theory working on our presentation later). thanks, djakes.
[8:59:24 AM] David Jakes says: I'm really looking forward to it...
[9:00:13 AM] Chris Lehmann says: who is the speaker?
[9:00:43 AM] Dean Shareski added kakelley to this chat
[9:00:44 AM] Christian Long says: you're kind, djakes, seriously. thanks. our goal is that the vast majority of the session involves audience members talking through projects (school 2.0-like) they are hoping to work on at school this year...with our collective efforts focusing on "becoming a change agent" to sustain the project/idea.
[9:01:06 AM] Dean Shareski says: Please someone...help me focus!
[9:01:06 AM] David Jakes says: Dr. Yong Zhao
[9:01:34 AM] David Jakes added Darren Kuropatwa to this chat
[9:02:09 AM] David Jakes says: @Christian. That's why I coming, for the conversation...
[9:03:19 AM] David Jakes says: Technology platforms allow kids to try things out
[9:03:52 AM] David Jakes says: Speaker now talking about a presentation in WV where no one was in Second Life
[9:04:46 AM] Kern Kelley says: Most of the companies are leaving SL, no $ there for them
[9:05:17 AM] David Jakes says: Anshe Chung has become the first online personality to achieve a net workth exceeding one milliion US dollars from profits entireely earned inside a virtual world
[9:05:19 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Not convinced about real pedagogical utility of SL. Full disclosure: I've never been in SL ... will try it out soon.
[9:05:35 AM] Kern Kelley says: I have students building a SL studio
[9:05:49 AM] Chris Lehmann says: KKelley -- on the teen grid?
[9:05:53 AM] Kern Kelley says: but worry about others who walk by
[9:06:11 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: What do you teach Kern?
[9:06:26 AM] David Jakes says: I'm not convinced either, way to high learning curve for most teachers, and I know kids can handle it, but teachers need to as well
[9:06:40 AM] Kern Kelley says: I'm the tech integrator for K-12 district in Maine
[9:06:59 AM] Kern Kelley says: the teachers would need a student SL 'sherpa'
[9:07:02 AM] Dean Shareski says: Plus....there are better tools for kids that accomplish much the same objectives
[9:07:11 AM] Kern Kelley says: http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/14/will-the-last-corporation-leaving-second-life-please-turn-off-the-light/
[9:07:12 AM] David Jakes says: Sherpa, nice term
[9:07:17 AM] Kern Kelley says: right
[9:07:27 AM] Chris Lehmann says: I also think we really need to question the infrastructure of SL as a company. Is this something we want to invest a TON of our energy and credibility in.
[9:07:32 AM] Kern Kelley says: Tech Sherpa - students who help teachers
[9:07:54 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: CLeh I agree.
[9:08:04 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Sherpa is a great term.
[9:08:08 AM] Kern Kelley says: absolutely, we can't get our input out again
[9:09:18 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Showing video about video game sweatshops in China.
[9:09:20 AM] Barbara says: Gold farmers ? a game or a term?
[9:09:27 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: A term.
[9:09:35 AM] Kern Kelley says: http://chinesegoldfarmers.com/
[9:09:42 AM] Kern Kelley says: ask my students about them
[9:09:47 AM] Chris Lehmann says: hm. Should Christian and I come listen? Is this a good speech?
[9:10:02 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Playing the game to acquire "in game goods" to sell to others (rich folks) who want the goood stuff without working for it.
[9:10:18 AM] Kern Kelley says: I showed the site to my students, and they all knew all about them
[9:10:27 AM] Dean Shareski says: @CL2....we'll keep you posted....not captivated yet
[9:10:39 AM] Dean Shareski says: this conversation is keeping it interesting
[9:10:45 AM] Kern Kelley says: agreed
[9:11:06 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @CLeh I'm here and only really half listening. This discussion holds more attraction and engage while also taking care of email, twitter, and flickr.
[9:12:50 AM] Dean Shareski says: asks: what kind of ??? are needed for this new world...missed the verb
[9:13:39 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Missed it too. He's talking about how todays internet requires everyone to become an authour. I don't know about the verb "requires".
[9:13:39 AM] Kern Kelley says: I don't know - Is he saying anything original here?
[9:13:53 AM] Barbara says: iwhat king of cognitive and emotional talents we need
[9:14:03 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: He's talking about youtube as an example.
[9:14:35 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: "w/out modern mass media Madonna would never have become successful"
[9:14:36 AM] Christian Long says: agree with darren - will ALWAYS be an option, although the 2.0 context does make it universal in terms of 'power' (although 'access' is still the real issue).
[9:14:44 AM] Barbara says: Guttenberg required everyone to become readers...Internet requires us to become authors...agree or to general
[9:15:09 AM] Kern Kelley says: the students already are, but would unlikely call themselves authors
[9:15:22 AM] Barbara says: @ dJakes okay it is addicting
[9:15:31 AM] Christian Long says: too general. the real 'rub' will occur once we get over the "I, too, can publish"....and move to the "how does the world change because I can/will/do?" moment.
[9:15:42 AM] Dean Shareski says: Our chatcast is slowing his connection ;)
[9:16:00 AM] bpeskin says: bpeskin is here now figuring this out
[9:16:05 AM] David Jakes says: Chinese BackStreet Boys-video he is now showing
[9:16:23 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Guttenberg *enabled* the easy distribution of info/knowledge which provided a motivation for the "average" person to learn how to read.
[9:16:25 AM] Christian Long says: agree with barbara. the terms we adults/teachers use are NOT the same...and frankly are the 'dig:immigrant' moment (yes, darren -- this is where it shows up) occuring. we look to frame everything in terms of roles and tools. 'kids' just 'do' without having to frame their acts/tools.
[9:16:32 AM] Kern Kelley says: Rule 1: Always buffer before you present!
[9:16:38 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Internet does the same thing with content creation.
[9:16:46 AM] Christian Long says: like the "motivation" part (as well as the "ability" default).
[9:16:50 AM] David Jakes says: download the Youtube video with vixy.net
[9:17:16 AM] Kern Kelley says: or Firefox add-on UnPlug
[9:17:21 AM] Dean Shareski says: or zamzar.com
[9:17:26 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: I use the firefox plugin.
[9:17:35 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: love zamzar!
[9:17:35 AM] Kern Kelley says: very quick + easy
[9:17:38 AM] bpeskin says: perian.org on mac for downloading youtube
[9:17:43 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Great for kids in school.
[9:17:44 AM] Dean Shareski says: or democracy player...even better
[9:17:57 AM] bpeskin says: perian.org -- new -- few weeks ago
[9:18:00 AM] bpeskin says: very easy
[9:18:14 AM] Chris Lehmann says: Neil Postman: Certain technologies are transformative not additive. W/ Gutenberg, you did not have Europe + Printing Press, you had a whole new Europe. The internet *should* be transformative, not merely additive, but with every time we recreate the commerce culture on the net, we run the risk of making it merely additive.
[9:18:46 AM] Christian Long says: if i don't another clehmann 'fix' soon, i'm gonna start getting night sweats 2.0.
[9:19:03 AM] Christian Long says: more seriously, good points, clehmann. re: 'addictive'.
[9:19:24 AM] Christian Long says: add..."additive". my tired brain went with "addictive". mea culpe.
[9:19:25 AM] David Jakes says: Additive vs. transformative. Applies to all technology use?
[9:19:38 AM] Christian Long says: but, like wikipedia, the correction is rapid-fire thanks to clehmann feedback.
[9:20:03 AM] Chris Lehmann says: David -- probably... I think it's a pretty cool lens.
[9:20:16 AM] Kern Kelley says: First additive then transformative.
[9:20:43 AM] Kern Kelley says: that's the effort with getting people to accept the additive aspect of tech
[9:20:51 AM] David Jakes says: So is it a natural evolutionary process?
[9:21:13 AM] Dean Shareski says: Sidebar: Chatcast forces me to contribute and focus rather than be passive ....to others, looks like I'm not listening...probably more focused than most
[9:21:27 AM] Christian Long says: @dean: amen!
[9:21:34 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Right on!
[9:21:56 AM] Kern Kelley says: @djakes: only shortcut are examples that you want to mimic
[9:22:02 AM] Chris Lehmann says: Kern -- dunno... somethings *are* transformative from the moment you experience them. Can you think of an idea, a technological innovation, etc... that completely changed your lens on the world from the moment you say it?
[9:22:03 AM] Kern Kelley says: forces you further faster
[9:22:08 AM] Chris Lehmann says: (saw it, not say it...)
[9:22:56 AM] Christian Long says: the real rub -- for schools/teachers -- is how to authentically 'note' or measure the student's attention when they are heavily 'involved' on a range of levels without it being visible on some respect. does a chatskypesession allow the invisible to become visible, or is it still a strength for those who are fast (not necessarily to be mistaken for accurate) and willing to typetalk?
[9:22:57 AM] bpeskin says: not from the moment -- but I think the interactive white board will change teaching and learning in the classroom
[9:22:58 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @CLeh Yeah, the first time I found someopne else blogging about something I had blogged. That really changed me ... ever since trying to create that feeling for my students.
[9:23:06 AM] Dean Shareski says: talking about McDonalds....http://csr.blogs.mcdonalds.com/ Blog called Open for Discussion focusing on corporate responsibility....used it for many of my blogging sessions
[9:23:09 AM] Chris Lehmann says: I can still remember sitting on the floor of Barnes and Noble, reading Teaching to Transgress... I could never look at the classroom the same way after that. It was a Coperican revolution (to use a term from Robert Pirsig) in that nothing had changed but *everything* had changed.
[9:23:29 AM] Christian Long says: @clehmann: other than arrival of my first baby, no.
[9:23:59 AM] Chris Lehmann says: Christian -- but that's an amazing parallel...
[9:24:43 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: The idea that what one person is thinking about "out loud" over here can impact someone half a continent or half the globe away is a very powerful experience.
[9:24:47 AM] Christian Long says: @darren: you may have changed my mind. that may have been transformative but mostly superficial at first ("hey, got noticed"). the real transformation occured when substantial life friendships (that were weaving into my home life, too) were occuring via blogging and the F2F occured well after the fact. the 'realization' was transformative.
[9:24:56 AM] Kern Kelley says: @CLong: the back channel will become 'the' representation of the session for some
[9:25:05 AM] Barbara added eebee1 to this chat
[9:25:07 AM] David Jakes says: @darren: thats the potential, thats the power
[9:25:48 AM] Dean Shareski says: @CLong...thought about your premise from yesterday...you made me think and I see you point better
[9:26:16 AM] David Jakes says: Showing Mini Cooper and how different countries contribute to its construction-World is Flat Kool-Aid
[9:26:16 AM] Christian Long says: @kern: becoming intrigued by 'back channel' approaches to classroom learning. just the semantic alone is powerful. few adult professionals tap into that realm, regardless of their industry/focus. let alone teachers bringing it up in class.
[9:26:23 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @CLong I don't think that's superficial. How often to people feel "Why should I vote? What difference will one voice make?" Blogging shows, very concretely how one voice can make a real difference and have a far reaching impact.
[9:26:24 AM] Kern Kelley says: :D
[9:26:36 AM] Chris Lehmann says: Ugh -- David -- can we all just agree that "We Get It... Globalization is Here. So what?"
[9:26:47 AM] David Jakes says: absolutely
[9:26:48 AM] Kern Kelley says: yes - tell me something new
[9:26:50 AM] Christian Long says: @dean: which point (although i'm now running around with my hand in the air regardless!) -- he smiles -- but curious.
[9:27:52 AM] Chris Lehmann says: Actually -- I want to move that converation as well... great... corporate globalization is here... fine, yay, whoopie... what does communitarian globalization look like? What would it look like if we stopped defining globalization by corporate interest and started defining it by human interest?
[9:27:58 AM] Dean Shareski says: @CL...what if "all this" went away..how would I carry on? Focussing on what "all this is" irrespective of technology
[9:28:03 AM] Christian Long says: @darren: yes, but we are still "8th graders" at heart when it comes to being noticed. i think that for me -- can't speak for you (anyone) here -- that the first time someone blogged something i said, it was a "hey, i was noticed" moment (regardless of what my intellect wants to tell you). later, after much reflection and a new wave of context, it began to be transformative...but at first...like being asked to dance to the Footloose soundtrack in 7th grade.
[9:28:21 AM] David Jakes says: Are you guys working on your presentation?
[9:28:30 AM] Christian Long says: @dean: okay, thanks. it is my numero uno question without minimizing the impact of the tech itself.
[9:28:32 AM] Chris Lehmann says: Christian -- did you know that my 7th grade girlfriend bought me the footloose soundtrack? Get out of my brain. :)
[9:28:36 AM] Christian Long says: @jakes: spoiler!
[9:28:39 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Also, the real human personal connections and friendships fostered through this medium connect us in real personal ways. As "social beings" this gets at something visceral.
[9:28:58 AM] David Jakes says: In summary? He's done?
[9:29:09 AM] Kern Kelley says: ??
[9:29:09 AM] Christian Long says: @clehmann: did you know the same night i saw that film, i had my best friend's mother cut my hair to look like Bacon? get out of my brain!
[9:29:13 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Jakes ;)
[9:29:34 AM] Chris Lehmann says: Christian and I are now pulling ourselves away from all of you to make sure we have something to say in two hours.
[9:29:37 AM] Barbara says: What does he mean we are returning to agricultural mode of production?
[9:29:38 AM] Christian Long says: @damnbackchannelvoices: leave @CL2 alone. we're doing our work. seriously. as far as you know!
[9:29:42 AM] David Jakes says: @Christian. Footloose, Cut loose, dah, dah, dah...
[9:29:48 AM] Kern Kelley says: The economy has changed - yeaaaaa
[9:29:54 AM] Sharon Peters says: @darrenk - agree one hundred percent - this is the driving impetus for our students (teenagers) to use social networking
[9:30:04 AM] bpeskin says: here's a cool thing -- i don't know any of you, you let me join this and I am learning so much more than just listening to key note
[9:30:17 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: I think it's a littl;e more than "hey! Someone noticed me!" It's about how one person can change and be changed by and affect another they have never met f2f.
[9:30:21 AM] bpeskin says: i need both the keynote and your conversation to think about what I'm thinking about at the moment
[9:30:29 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Then we meet and everything is even more concrete.
[9:30:30 AM] Kern Kelley says: @darren I think they are already there (yes with access issues aside)
[9:30:35 AM] David Jakes says: @bpesking: Thanks, and we're glad.
[9:30:40 AM] Sharon Peters says: I am *certain* that there have been studies done on the phenomenon of backchanneling and potential learning gains for students
[9:30:59 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Do really really feel the connections fostered between yourself and the folks you've met here are sourced to superficial intereactions?
[9:31:16 AM] Kern Kelley says: would anyone here let a backchannel run in their class - while their teaching?
[9:31:36 AM] Sharon Peters says: I wanted to - and explored that possibility last year
[9:31:39 AM] David Jakes says: @kern. How threatening would that be for most teachers?
[9:31:47 AM] Sharon Peters says: gave away dozens of google invites to see if it would work
[9:31:51 AM] Kern Kelley says: extremely, but I'm game
[9:32:06 AM] David Jakes says: Yes, I've got some in mind where we will try this
[9:32:11 AM] Sharon Peters says: we talked about this yesterday - a few of us - how to make sure kids were chatting "on task"
[9:32:14 AM] David Jakes says: and they'll be up for it.
[9:32:26 AM] Kern Kelley says: I know the online parts of my classes, the kids are VERY comfortable with chat as their medium to discuss
[9:32:43 AM] Kern Kelley says: we've asked them to always posted their side discussions
[9:32:45 AM] Sharon Peters says: I think if you let students know that you will be saving their chat - they would remain on task
[9:32:47 AM] Kern Kelley says: post
[9:33:00 AM] David Jakes says: What does it say when the conversation that is taking place is not really reflective of what the keynote presenter is talking about?
[9:33:05 AM] Kern Kelley says: are we always on task? ;)
[9:33:08 AM] bpeskin says: the teacher would have to have support online or available elsewhere in case the chatting caused kids to miss something -- teachers coudl get comfortagble with this
[9:33:34 AM] Christian Long says: Can someone just timetravel into the future and send me the full transcript so i can prepare my twitters and skypechats? I'd feel much, much better!
[9:33:39 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: I think backchanneling may have a positive impact on classroom teaching but only iof the backchanneling is public and transparent ... goes to accountability for learning rather than just playing.
[9:33:53 AM] Sharon Peters says: when we go "off task" to poke a little fun or have a laugh - studies have also shown that this sociality actually makes the "on task" more engaging
[9:33:56 AM] Christian Long says: @kern: yes on a gut level. but need to think about the literal 'plug in' side of things. but yes in spirit/desire.
[9:33:57 AM] bpeskin says: and then the teaching has to be interesting enough so some attention is being paid:-)
[9:34:00 AM] Kern Kelley says: what if the chat was projected off to the side so all participates in the classroom knew it was out there
[9:34:11 AM] Chris Lehmann says: Someone please kick Christian out of the chat.
[9:34:14 AM] bpeskin says: 2013
[9:34:29 AM] David Jakes says: Christian Long absolutely rocks, so sorry Chris
[9:34:29 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Nothing wrong with the occasional joke or aside but should come back to the main point. If it weren't for this "channel" I would have tuned out of this talk long ago.
[9:34:38 AM] Christian Long says: @pbeskin: but the future is not about "teacher = interesting". future is "collaboration = interesting" (and 'teacher' is one of many in the mix).
[9:34:48 AM] David Jakes says: Nice
[9:34:51 AM] bpeskin says: very nice
[9:35:02 AM] Kern Kelley says: so here we are collaborate while Dr. Yao talks 'at' us
[9:35:20 AM] bpeskin says: how about teacher facilitates something interesting
[9:35:38 AM] Kern Kelley says: A Whole New Mind - required reading for our social studies classes
[9:35:38 AM] Sharon Peters says: and it is so much better than just taking personal notes, posting a blog about it , THEN waiting for comments
[9:35:45 AM] Chris Lehmann says: David -- I'm holding you responsible when our sessions sucks. :)
[9:35:46 AM] Christian Long says: much better being 'in' the keynote 50 yards away in main lobby. keynoter is NOT talking at me.
[9:35:52 AM] Chris Lehmann says: Kern -- that's awesome.
[9:35:54 AM] Kern Kelley says: nice :)
[9:36:01 AM] Christian Long says: @sharon: well said!
[9:36:14 AM] Kern Kelley says: which room is the session, I'm giong
[9:36:20 AM] David Jakes says: The speaker is not showing the attributes from A whole New Mind
[9:36:34 AM] David Jakes says: not=now
[9:36:58 AM] Dean Shareski says: So, what are all your middle names?...losing focus :)
[9:37:11 AM] Chris Lehmann says: Kern -- Charles River East
[9:37:14 AM] Kern Kelley says: thx
[9:37:28 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @CL&CL you guys are on in the 2nd slot right?
[9:37:29 AM] David Jakes says: digital citizenship = living in the digtal world, making a living in the digital world, (re)creating the digital world-slide now being shown
[9:37:28 AM] Barbara says: i strated taking notes then could not resist chat..at first I tried to just monitor and grab tidbits for my notes...alas I was sucked in
[9:37:52 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Barbara Welcome to the machine. ;)
[9:37:53 AM] Chris Lehmann says: Darren -- yeah, 11:30. I was wrong.
[9:37:57 AM] Sharon Peters says: (and so david jakes once again strives to get us back on task)
[9:38:04 AM] Chris Lehmann says: And... GAWD, I hate saying this, Christian was right. :)
[9:38:15 AM] Kern Kelley says: hehe
[9:38:24 AM] David Jakes says: @sharon, no we are on task, just wanted to have that in the notes :)
[9:38:24 AM] Christian Long says: let's not focus on lehmann being wrong (and his co-presenter being right). can't we just appreciate that he's a decent guy?
[9:38:41 AM] Chris Lehmann says: why does it always have to be about right and wrong?
[9:38:59 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @CL I like'em both. ;)
[9:39:04 AM] David Jakes says: I cannot wait for your presentation
[9:39:05 AM] Christian Long says: @lehmann: hey, are we ready to stop this backchannelhoohaa and get to the business of putting a slide deck together for the presentation? (he smiles)
[9:39:07 AM] Sharon Peters says: (Christian and Chris' pres promises to be VERY dynamic!)
[9:39:19 AM] David Jakes says: Presenter mentions Skype-if he only knew
[9:39:27 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: :D
[9:39:38 AM] Sharon Peters says: (rofl)
[9:39:44 AM] Kern Kelley says: I think the back channel comments should be projected on the screen beside him
[9:40:02 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: That's waht I've been trying t o do all week in my presentations.
[9:40:03 AM] Sharon Peters says: THAT would keep us on task
[9:40:05 AM] David Jakes says: interesting and intimidating
[9:40:14 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Hopefully it'll work today.
[9:40:19 AM] Kern Kelley says: yes, just like we'd want with our kids
[9:40:27 AM] Sharon Peters says: @darren - I will be there
[9:40:38 AM] Kern Kelley says: interesting and 'real' assessment - a larger audience
[9:40:39 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Can't read that slide ... to much text.
[9:40:56 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Sharon See you there. ;)
[9:41:07 AM] David Jakes says: Do you look at that slide when preparing and go "Yeah, thats what I'm looking for?"
[9:41:22 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Jakes gets me every time :D
[9:41:25 AM] Sharon Peters says: @darren - do you need a stooge?
[9:41:45 AM] David Jakes says: Jakes = Stooge
[9:41:50 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Huh?
[9:41:54 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: What do you mean?
[9:41:58 AM] Dean Shareski says: oy!
[9:42:05 AM] David Jakes says: Is Will here?
[9:42:08 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: attaboy shreaski!
[9:42:19 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: He would've loved tghat.
[9:42:21 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Tweet it!
[9:42:37 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: for Will
[9:43:07 AM] David Jakes says: Done
[9:43:16 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Showing slide about Multiple Intelligences.
[9:43:41 AM] Chris Lehmann says: O
[9:44:02 AM] David Jakes says: I think Ewan Mcintosh should have done the keynote
[9:44:09 AM] Kern Kelley says: AGREED!!!!
[9:44:13 AM] Chris Lehmann says: O.k. -- We need a list of phrases / topics that are banned from all keynote presentations... clearly World Is Flat is top of list.
[9:44:12 AM] Sharon Peters says: maybe next year??
[9:44:43 AM] Kern Kelley says: nothing is so trendy as education: "The obligatory mention of TWiF"
[9:44:44 AM] David Jakes says: @CL. That would be a great wiki.
[9:44:45 AM] Christian Long says: has anyone thought about adding Alan November into this chat? if ANYONE needs to be 'aware' of the backchannel conversations, i'd put him on the top of the short list. a thought. sincerely.
[9:44:55 AM] David Jakes says: Nice idea
[9:44:56 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Yeah, even Freedman says the world insn't flat. Time to talk about that a bit.
[9:45:07 AM] Kern Kelley says: great point
[9:45:12 AM] Kern Kelley says: rarely mentioned
[9:45:23 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @CLong invite him
[9:45:29 AM] Sharon Peters says: however, one cannot ignore the impact of the book WiF
[9:45:33 AM] David Jakes says: sweet transition
[9:45:34 AM] Barbara says: Alan has not been on skype lately
[9:45:53 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: He might be if he knew this was going on.
[9:45:56 AM] David Jakes says: I talked with him about this today in the hallway, suggested formalizing it to some extent
[9:45:58 AM] Christian Long says: i offer it as a premise as a default in future. 'now'
[9:45:59 AM] Sharon Peters says: someone should mention it to him - but he should be aware of it
[9:46:01 AM] Christian Long says: '
[9:46:05 AM] Christian Long says: 'now' is optional
[9:46:22 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: I meantioned it to Christine yesterday. She was intrigued.
[9:46:52 AM] David Jakes says: I am sincerely trying to listen to him...
[9:46:54 AM] Kern Kelley says: I'll mention it to him, I'm going over to his house in a couple weeks - for next year I guess
[9:46:57 AM] Sharon Peters says: So why is World mentioned so much and Wikinomics ignored? Nice to see A Whole New Mind being given time
[9:47:15 AM] David Jakes says: So many books, so little time...
[9:47:17 AM] Kern Kelley says: World is more mainstream now
[9:47:30 AM] Kern Kelley says: my mom has heard of it - whoa
[9:47:42 AM] Sharon Peters says: yeah, am thinking it's cuz it's written by a Canadian, not American (which makes it much more virtuous)
[9:47:49 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: AWNM packs quite a whallop. Need to reread and digest. Has had a real impact on my thinking and teaching. In particular "Story."
[9:47:51 AM] Kern Kelley says: :)
[9:48:09 AM] Sharon Peters says: @Darren - me too - check out my review of it in CoA
[9:48:11 AM] Dean Shareski says: the guy next to me leaves his cell phone on...OY
[9:48:26 AM] Kern Kelley says: the kids like it much better than World, which is also required reading
[9:48:35 AM] Sharon Peters says: it is a much easier read
[9:48:36 AM] David Jakes says: The guy next to me leaves his cell phone on
[9:48:50 AM] Sharon Peters says: I gave copies of both to my headmaster
[9:48:58 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: The gut next to me goes to a keynote and puts headp[hone on.
[9:49:15 AM] David Jakes says: gut, yes I do have a gut, but I'm trying..
[9:49:16 AM] Dean Shareski says: @darren..that guy's a loser
[9:49:23 AM] Kern Kelley says: :D
[9:49:25 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: OK. I'm getting it from both sides now. It was me.
[9:49:55 AM] Kern Kelley says: is SL 'that' new to everyone? ouch
[9:49:57 AM] Sharon Peters says: @darren - is this a form of cyberbullying?
[9:50:11 AM] David Jakes says: ouch = OY!
[9:50:16 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Oy vey!
[9:50:27 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Sharon. might be. ;)
[9:50:34 AM] David Jakes says: The speaker has been absolutely all over the place..
[9:50:48 AM] Kern Kelley says: I'm getting a kick out of our back channel, and both the students I brought have their own back channels with their friends in Maine
[9:50:55 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Hard to identify the "purpose" of this talk.
[9:50:59 AM] David Jakes added Will Richardson to this chat
[9:50:59 AM] Barbara says: SL is new to many people here
[9:51:08 AM] David Jakes says: Everyone: say OY! to Will
[9:51:09 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Hi Will.
[9:51:17 AM] Will Richardson says: hey...oy
[9:51:19 AM] Sharon Peters says: @kern - and are your students actually backchanneling about the keynote - like us??
[9:51:20 AM] Kern Kelley says: did you here Alan's interview of the presenter?
[9:51:24 AM] Will Richardson says: still driving
[9:51:38 AM] David Jakes says: glad to see you made it back safely...
[9:51:40 AM] Kern Kelley says: yes
[9:51:43 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: And skyping? Talk about multitasking.
[9:51:54 AM] Will Richardson says: im not back yet...
[9:51:54 AM] Kern Kelley says: i just asked and am suprised as you
[9:52:18 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Kern Did you hear it? How did it strike you?
[9:52:22 AM] Dean Shareski says: what's for lunch?
[9:52:29 AM] Sharon Peters says: @kern - okay, I am surprised and impressed - did you tell them you wanted a copy of the chat later? ;)
[9:52:30 AM] Will Richardson says: 20 more mins on road...no traffic
[9:52:41 AM] Kern Kelley says: @darren sorry, i didn't what was it?
[9:52:46 AM] David Jakes says: I'm dyin here...
[9:52:50 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: I haven't heard it either.
[9:52:57 AM] Sharon Peters says: What's for breakfast?
[9:53:01 AM] Will Richardson says: why?
[9:53:10 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: This talk seems to be "Look at all this cool stuff!"
[9:53:16 AM] Kern Kelley says: sooooo games can be educational? is that what he's saying?
[9:53:23 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Not enough about pedagogy.
[9:53:23 AM] Sharon Peters says: yawn, snore and a bore for some of us
[9:53:25 AM] David Jakes says: chatcast has been much more valuable
[9:53:27 AM] bpeskin says: if you backchannel, also, you can look up stuff 3 tasking really, the chat, the speaker and then looking up related stuff...
[9:53:27 AM] Will Richardson says: keynote no good?
[9:53:34 AM] Kern Kelley says: Ewan should have done this !!
[9:53:49 AM] bpeskin says: problem is if you can'
[9:53:54 AM] David Jakes says: I've seen better...
[9:53:56 AM] Will Richardson says: Ewan could do anything
[9:53:57 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: I wonder what he planed as the "takeaway" for his talk.
[9:53:58 AM] Sharon Peters says: well, he *does* have a good sense of humour and I am betting that this IS new to a lot of people here
[9:54:06 AM] bpeskin says: sorry -- ifyou can't handle all the action going on it might interfere with learning? (maybe...)
[9:54:14 AM] David Jakes says: @sharon, you're correct
[9:54:17 AM] Sharon Peters says: whumped us with Internet trends
[9:54:29 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Is he saying something the other keynotes haven't? What is the original contribution here?
[9:54:38 AM] Kern Kelley says: @darren "Technology changes things." - revolutionary
[9:54:42 AM] David Jakes says: Showing nice graphic of evolution now
[9:54:47 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: That's a very [popular image on the net.
[9:54:54 AM] David Jakes says: anyone have a link?
[9:54:59 AM] Barbara says: I am confused about what he says the role of the teacher is ..got stuck on the matrix quote
[9:55:03 AM] David Jakes says: im timing..
[9:55:08 AM] Will Richardson says: i think the keynotes this year were underwhelming
[9:55:11 AM] Sharon Peters says: but there is something about redundancy - these people who haven't heard of this stuff (and that is a LOT of people) they get to hear about it from many sides
[9:55:34 AM] bpeskin says: why not much on second life?
[9:55:35 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Link coming ...
[9:55:38 AM] David Jakes says: Start with problems and re-imagine education
[9:55:45 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Will. yes.
[9:55:48 AM] Kern Kelley says: so are we the echo chamber
[9:55:58 AM] Will Richardson says: yup
[9:55:59 AM] Sharon Peters says: @will - we missed most of the keynotes and didn't seem to suffer for it - the presenters here this year though really RAWKED!
[9:56:07 AM] David Jakes says: @bpeskin: he has shown it several times, we've just not really mentioned it
[9:56:09 AM] Sharon Peters says: Ewan in particular
[9:56:10 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: image: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cyberpingui.free.fr/humour/evolution-white.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blog.fastcompany.com/archives/2004/06/&h=600&w=800&sz=37&hl=en&start=21&sig2=rz8y8QRqZHVN7yV0Gu_l9g&tbnid=PjqMmGfRAeDXkM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=143&ei=vL6gRqT1DaGGeKO2tCM&prev=/images%3Fq%3Devolution%26start%3D20%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
[9:56:19 AM] David Jakes says: its called tinyurl darren
[9:56:28 AM] Will Richardson says: no kiddin
[9:56:33 AM] Kern Kelley says: holy url Batman!
[9:56:36 AM] Will Richardson says: oy
[9:57:00 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Jakes I've got more than 140 characters here. ;)
[9:57:23 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Just clickit. ;)
[9:57:55 AM] David Jakes says: Speaker: Redefine talents and academic success, reconfigure traditional institutions....
[9:58:03 AM] Kern Kelley says: how many in this chat are not in the room with the presenter?
[9:58:12 AM] Will Richardson says: me
[9:58:16 AM] Kern Kelley says: 1
[9:58:23 AM] David Jakes says: 2
[9:58:48 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Jales says 2 while sitting next to me in room. Oy!
[9:58:52 AM] Will Richardson says: are we reconfiguring?
[9:58:57 AM] David Jakes says: Jales = Jakes
[9:59:04 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: ;)
[9:59:09 AM] David Jakes says: He's Done.
[9:59:11 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: It's over!
[9:59:23 AM] David Jakes says: Chatcast up in a second at Strength of Weak Ties
[9:59:23 AM] Kern Kelley says: made dash to the door
[9:59:26 AM] Sharon Peters says: What's for breakfast?
[9:59:36 AM] Will Richardson says: sorry i missed it
[9:59:43 AM] Kern Kelley says: ummmmmmm
[9:59:44 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Don't be.
[9:59:49 AM] Kern Kelley says: yeah
[10:00:06 AM] David Jakes says: thanks everyone!
[10:00:06 AM] Will Richardson says: I'mhome now...yay
[10:00:11 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Off to prepare for my session ... up first.
[10:00:12 AM] Kern Kelley says: listen to ALan's interview, you'd hear it
[10:00:12 AM] bpeskin says: thanks
[10:00:15 AM] David Jakes says: Give the kids and wife big hug!
[10:00:16 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Cheers~!!
[10:00:24 AM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Safe ride hiome Will.
[10:00:44 AM] Will Richardson says: thanks
[10:00:52 AM] David Jakes says: Off to Darren's session
[10:01:04 AM] Kern Kelley says: To Kuropatwa!

[10:04:16 AM] Christian Long says: a GREAT sign: "keynotes are underwhelming" when the backstories are engaging. THIS is the SHIFT!

blc blc07

Wednesday, July 18, 2007

Revised BLC schedule

If you are jumping onto Skype tomorrow for BLC-Thursday, here is my revised schedule:

8-9: KEYNOTE: Online Communities of Learning: Lessons from the Worlds of Games and Play, Angela McFarlane
9-10: KEYNOTE: Tools for Creative Thinking, Mitch Resnick
10:30-11:30 Podcasting with Purpose, Bob Sprankle
11:40-12:40 The Hype about Skype, Brian Mull
Afternoon session undecided.

Ewan McIntosh-Is Your Public Body Public?

This is the chatcast of Ewan McIntosh's Wednesday presentation at BLC. Emphasis and italics are mine.

[12:42:54 PM] David Jakes says: Title: How Public is your Public Body?
[12:42:55 PM] Cathy Nelson says: scholarship
[12:43:09 PM] Barbara says: For BCL?
[12:43:15 PM] Cathy Nelson says: yes
[12:43:25 PM] Barbara says: I am here on Title funds
[12:43:36 PM] Cathy Nelson says: we r not title 1
[12:43:49 PM] Brian Mull has changed the chat topic to "How Public is your Public Body?"
[12:45:06 PM] David Jakes says: Here we go
[12:45:29 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan: The anti-social electrified crowd is in the back (People hooked in to power up their machines)
[12:45:42 PM] Cathy Nelson says: needing power i suppose...
[12:45:52 PM] Cathy Nelson says: where r u
[12:46:26 PM] David Jakes says: a public body may be a classroom, or a school
[12:47:37 PM] David Jakes says: Public vs. Private
[12:47:47 PM] bob sprankle says: when you introduce the word public, you also introduce private
[12:48:19 PM] bob sprankle says: i think it was... cameran diaz...
[12:48:21 PM] bob sprankle says: lol
[12:48:52 PM] David Jakes says: Now there is an Identity 2.0
[12:49:30 PM] David Jakes says: gotta love Keynote
[12:49:47 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan What are the secret spaces that you have?
[12:49:57 PM] David Jakes says: Examples: Mobile, SMS. IM
[12:49:57 PM] bob sprankle says: Secret Spaces... Mobile, SMS, IM
[12:50:13 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Neat idea ... secret conversations.
[12:50:23 PM] David Jakes says: Then there are group spaces.
[12:50:28 PM] David Jakes says: See Twitter...
[12:50:35 PM] Brian Mull says: I secret messaged Dembo. Don't love him...just a question.
[12:50:38 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Like this one ... or is a secret space until someone blogs it?
[12:50:40 PM] Carolyn Foote says: i'm here, just following
[12:50:46 PM] Carolyn Foote says: multi tasking ;)
[12:50:59 PM] bob sprankle says: Group Spaces: Bebo, Facebook, Tagged, etc.
[12:51:12 PM] David Jakes says: There are publishing spaces
[12:51:22 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Can you be friends with 160 people?
[12:51:31 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: I think about the same thing.
[12:51:32 PM] David Jakes says: LiveJournal, Blogger, Flickr, Photobucket
[12:51:33 PM] bob sprankle says: Publishing Spaces: LiveJournal, Blogger, Flickr, Photobucket, etc.
[12:51:47 PM] Brian Mull says: Almost need another word
[12:51:48 PM] Carolyn Foote says: well, i'm guessing some friends are just like your colleagues at school. i work with 200 teachers
[12:51:53 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: What's a friend? Different levels/kinds of friendship?
[12:51:54 PM] Brian Mull says: phrend
[12:52:04 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Ah ... we phrends then. ;)
[12:52:10 PM] Brian Mull says: sure
[12:52:15 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: ;)
[12:52:18 PM] David Jakes says: secret space vs. group space vs. publishing space vs performing spaces vs. participation space, these are the different types of spaces we interact with.
[12:52:33 PM] bob sprankle says: Performing Spaces: can be f2f... 2nd Life,etc.
[12:52:47 PM] bob sprankle says: Participation spaces: meetings, events...
[12:52:53 PM] David Jakes says: What is your school? What kind of space is your school? How public or private is it?
[12:52:54 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Ewan has a great talent for scaling concepts.
[12:53:00 PM] bob sprankle says: Watching Spaces: TV, Theatre
[12:53:04 PM] David Jakes says: What kind of space is a chatcast?
[12:53:17 PM] Cathy Nelson says: virtual note passing space
[12:53:20 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: It has elements of all the spaces he's mentions.
[12:53:30 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan: secret space vs. group space vs. publishing space vs performing spaces vs. participation space vs. watching space (this was the complete list)
[12:53:33 PM] David Jakes says: this is cool
[12:53:34 PM] Barbara says: interesting idea that one thing can be multiple types of spaces

Again, this presentation is "Is Your Public Body Public"

[12:53:39 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Is it a multispace?
[12:53:39 PM] bob sprankle says: Can your classroom be all 6 of these?
[12:53:45 PM] bob sprankle says: Do you want it to be?
[12:53:47 PM] Brian Mull says: I remember getting caught passing the note.
[12:53:51 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Bob good questoion!
[12:53:52 PM] bob sprankle says: distraction/extension
[12:54:01 PM] Dean Shareski says: 90% of teachers would be having a heart attack right now
[12:54:04 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan is now asking "How implicit or explicit is your digital life?"
[12:54:06 PM] Cathy Nelson says: mulitfaceted
[12:54:31 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Dean yeah, but how many kids would be? How can this be leveraged to their learning advantage?
[12:54:38 PM] Brian Mull says: Absolutely Dean. But what if they looked at the whole conversation after. Do you think they would see the value?
[12:54:54 PM] Cathy Nelson says: dbl edged sword
[12:55:03 PM] Cathy Nelson says: as with most things...
[12:55:16 PM] Barbara says: it depends on whether they are engaged in learning
[12:55:59 PM] bob sprankle says: brilliant...
[12:56:00 PM] Cathy Nelson says: example student somewhere suspended for a semester for having a bad idea for an avatar
[12:56:17 PM] Cathy Nelson says: it didn't matter what the content of his myspace was
[12:56:26 PM] Cathy Nelson says: or that it didn't happen at school
[12:56:42 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan is asking about things I love, things I don't love, he is asking everyone to do that and write that out. Giving 60 seconds.
[12:56:54 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: 40 sec left
[12:56:58 PM] Cathy Nelson says: don't luve=---red tape
[12:57:26 PM] Brian Mull says: agghhhhh
[12:58:14 PM] Cathy Nelson says: ohh-hi Joyce
[12:58:57 PM] David Jakes says: woman in the audience reads her lists, Ian asks how much we know about her, what was implicitly stated in her explicit descriptions? How do we judge her on her explicit descriptions?
[12:59:00 PM] Joyce Valenza says: hi cathy!
[12:59:06 PM] bob sprankle says: heck of a lot we DON'T include
[12:59:07 PM] Joyce Valenza says: should we better tag ourselves?
[12:59:17 PM] David Jakes says: How implicit or explicit is your classroom? Your school? Your organization? What do they know about your classroom, school? How much is judged implicitly?
[12:59:19 PM] Joyce Valenza says: because we are miscellaneous.
[12:59:28 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @Bob yeah! I was slow with facebook because of that.
[1:00:00 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: My classroom has glass walls but tha'ts my professional life and my profession is one that I think should be transparent.
[1:00:06 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: My personal life is different.
[1:00:10 PM] David Jakes says: Will you allow unmoderated comments? Blog about anything? How implicit or explicit are your actions?
[1:00:22 PM] Cathy Nelson says: no way unmoderated
[1:00:25 PM] Cathy Nelson says: risky
[1:00:27 PM] Jeff Utecht says: We allow students to blog about anything
[1:00:36 PM] Jeff Utecht says: unmoderated
[1:00:39 PM] Cathy Nelson says: South Carolina is very conservative
[1:00:45 PM] Cathy Nelson says: i like my job
[1:01:16 PM] Joyce Valenza says: love the way he teaches!
[1:01:29 PM] David Jakes says: this is very elegant
[1:01:37 PM] Cathy Nelson says: wuz that on the big screen?
[1:01:37 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Yes to unmoderated comments, blog subjects are limited to a certain focus.
[1:01:38 PM] bob sprankle says: yes
[1:01:42 PM] Jeff Utecht says: Promised wife I'd leave coffee shop at 11. Time to go :( thank you all for the learning....later
[1:01:58 PM] bob sprankle says: by jeff!
[1:02:01 PM] Cathy Nelson says: wow
[1:02:02 PM] Joyce Valenza says: by jeff
[1:02:20 PM] Cathy Nelson says: i did that to Alan N when he was in Sc last spring
[1:02:33 PM] Cathy Nelson says: he accepted, next thing you know my big head ison the screen
[1:02:34 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Cheers Jeff
[1:02:37 PM] Cathy Nelson says: embarassing
[1:03:32 PM] David Jakes says: A new technologies research practioner-thats how he describes himself
[1:03:55 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan is asking: How do you make explicit to other people the things you learn here?
[1:03:58 PM] bob sprankle says: how do you make explicit to people that weren't here, what you were feeling here
[1:04:15 PM] Cathy Nelson says: especially when only there virtually...
[1:04:35 PM] Joyce Valenza says: i want a cow in our playground!
[1:04:40 PM] Brian Mull says: emoticons! (rofl)
[1:04:49 PM] bob sprankle says: lol
[1:04:51 PM] David Jakes says: would love to hear your perspectives Cathy on participating in this (Cathy is participating from South Carolina).
[1:05:01 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: I just leerned where Robbie Jones lives. Cool!
[1:05:03 PM] Cathy Nelson says: its wonderful, but painful
[1:05:07 PM] Cathy Nelson says: i am so jealous
[1:05:10 PM] Cathy Nelson says: i knew i would be
[1:05:27 PM] bob sprankle says: lucky!
[1:05:28 PM] Cathy Nelson says: but alas its the conversations that make it lasting
[1:05:30 PM] bob sprankle says: formative
[1:05:43 PM] Cathy Nelson says: i have a bookmark folder just for links from blc that are posted
[1:06:03 PM] Cathy Nelson says: during the break at one time i was playing all torres video links
[1:06:09 PM] Cathy Nelson says: woke up the 17yo
[1:06:16 PM] David Jakes says: 20-the appox. number of teachers and managers sharing their idea, experienes and resources online 2005-06
[1:07:15 PM] David Jakes says: Now its 350 teachers online sharing what they did in their classrooms
[1:07:19 PM] bob sprankle says: incredible
[1:07:49 PM] David Jakes says: 800 the number of students, teachers, and admins sharing what they were doing, total (he will explain how they did this on Thursday)
[1:07:59 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: That's 3.5% and 8%. from 0.2%. Tremendous growth but still a long way to go.
[1:08:03 PM] Joyce Valenza says: five things to think about public vs. private:
[1:08:16 PM] Joyce Valenza says: viral success cannot be planned

5 steps on making your public body public:

[1:08:18 PM] David Jakes says: 1. Viral success cannot be planned
[1:08:20 PM] Dean Shareski says: Stephen Downes once told me..."my life is an open book"
[1:09:17 PM] Cathy Nelson says: how do i make my mac desktop stay brght?
[1:09:26 PM] Cathy Nelson says: inactivity makes it lose a lumen or two
[1:09:31 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Keep typing. ;)
[1:09:38 PM] bob sprankle says: the pepsi challenge... it was everywhere...
[1:09:44 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: or move the mouse.
[1:09:48 PM] Cathy Nelson says: ok
[1:10:00 PM] Barbara says: Concept being explained is thin slicing
[1:10:24 PM] Cathy Nelson says: ooftopic--the tide stick really works
[1:10:36 PM] Brian Mull says: Anyone ever tour the coke museum and sample the coke products from around the world?
[1:10:38 PM] David Jakes says: small amount of pepsi good, too much Pepsi too sweet
[1:10:51 PM] bob sprankle says: vodka challenge
[1:10:55 PM] Brian Mull says: lol
[1:11:17 PM] David Jakes says: this is getting posted online, congrats Bob-do you want me to edit that out?
[1:11:22 PM] Cathy Nelson says: too much of anything can be bad
[1:11:34 PM] bob sprankle says: sure... lol
[1:12:01 PM] bob sprankle says: i din't say it... ewan did!
[1:12:12 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: http://www.dumblittleman.com/2006/12/go-ahead-drink-coke.html
[1:12:18 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Then see of you still like coke. ;)
[1:12:21 PM] Barbara says: Okay help me what is thin slicing
[1:12:39 PM] David Jakes says: small amounts are good, large amounts no so
[1:12:50 PM] Dean Shareski says: http://thebassplayersblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/benefits-of-school-20.html
[1:12:52 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: The pepsi example is thin slicing work is wee bits.
[1:13:32 PM] Cathy Nelson says: OMG Darren what a site!
[1:13:55 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: It's quite an article. John Evans shared it with me.
[1:13:59 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan asks: Do you have room for serendipity?
[1:14:02 PM] Barbara says: I like the question ..Are you allowed and able to fail?
[1:14:10 PM] David Jakes says: Are you allowed to fail and make mistakes?
[1:14:10 PM] bob sprankle says: no formal assessment until child is 16! yes!
[1:14:13 PM] Brian Mull says: Wow
[1:14:17 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Mistakes are the most important part of learning.
[1:14:20 PM] Cathy Nelson says: hmm
[1:14:19 PM] bob sprankle says: do you allow people to make mistakes?
[1:14:31 PM] Brian Mull says: What do they do on Fridays then?
[1:14:34 PM] Cathy Nelson says: it is why students should be involved in rubrics
[1:14:36 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Essential to learning as a matter of fact.
[1:14:41 PM] David Jakes says: How do kids learn today? By failing first...turn on the game and play it, failure is an incredilbly important learning tool
[1:14:46 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Essetial=essential
[1:14:51 PM] Cathy Nelson says: and an incentive
[1:14:56 PM] Joyce Valenza says: mistakes are the most important things you can make
[1:15:04 PM] David Jakes says: Do we have kids assess their failures?
[1:15:09 PM] Cathy Nelson says: its why video games are addictive too
[1:15:38 PM] Barbara says: yes Cathy... incentive in a game is often knowing eventually you will/can succeed
[1:15:44 PM] Cathy Nelson says: failures are us exploring and expanding our comfort zones
[1:15:51 PM] David Jakes says: Sophomores in our schools don't even remember Michael Jordan playing for the Bulls-that's sick.
[1:16:12 PM] bob sprankle says: that movie... meet the robinson... celebrates failure... for kids. nice message
[1:16:51 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan asks: Kids born in 2001 are now entering our school system. What truly does that mean for us?
[1:17:13 PM] Barbara says: 2001 marks the start of online publishing
[1:17:15 PM] Cathy Nelson says: we can't possibly prepare them for any specific jobs of their future
[1:17:25 PM] Cathy Nelson says: so we foucs on just learning how to learn
[1:18:21 PM] David Jakes says: I want that video (video link is below-video of a student playing a song)
[1:18:28 PM] David Jakes says: compkid.co.nr
[1:18:29 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: me too.
[1:18:39 PM] bob sprankle says: compkid.co.nr
[1:19:27 PM] David Jakes says: speedstacks.com
[1:20:29 PM] David Jakes says: bob gets thrown under bus
[1:20:51 PM] David Jakes says: video of world record cup stacking
[1:21:21 PM] Dean Shareski says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K_M9likRrQ
[1:21:40 PM] David Jakes says: @Cathy: absolutely
[1:21:57 PM] Cathy Nelson says: was the video about Marijuan?
[1:22:11 PM] Cathy Nelson says: the compkid one?
[1:22:27 PM] David Jakes says: no
[1:22:36 PM] David Jakes says: it was about a kid playing a song on the guitar
[1:22:39 PM] Cathy Nelson says: its the one on that homepage now
[1:22:50 PM] David Jakes says: yea, its not that one
[1:22:56 PM] Cathy Nelson says: but it was a good PS announcement--i get the effect anyway
[1:23:55 PM] Dean Shareski says: cupstacking.com
[1:23:57 PM] David Jakes says: Do comments at Google represent formative assessment?
[1:23:58 PM] Barbara says: Formative assessment by google..
[1:24:00 PM] Cathy Nelson says: ohy was that real time cup stacking?
[1:24:10 PM] David Jakes says: yes
[1:24:23 PM] Cathy Nelson says: for smeone's standards anyway
[1:24:52 PM] David Jakes says: I want that for my Twitter account
[1:25:18 PM] David Jakes added Cheri Toledo to this chat
[1:25:35 PM] David Jakes says: Welcome to Cheri Toledo from the Great State of Illinois
[1:25:37 PM] Dean Shareski says: what was the teacher's role in the learning? Holy!
[1:25:48 PM] Brian Mull says: Also creativity, dedication, perseverence
[1:25:54 PM] Dean Shareski says: Can you say JACKSQUAT!
[1:26:09 PM] Cathy Nelson says: lol
[1:26:14 PM] Cathy Nelson says: hadn't head that in a while
[1:26:28 PM] Barbara says: w/positive experience attainment takes care of itself
[1:26:40 PM] Cathy Nelson says: true
[1:26:51 PM] Barbara says: ememrging technologies making the biggest impact
[1:27:06 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Reminiscent of John Seely Brown talking about "exploring the edge."
[1:27:14 PM] David Jakes says: as opposed to the whiteboard that was in the clasroom for 5 years
[1:27:36 PM] bob sprankle says: emerging practices
[1:27:49 PM] Barbara says: Change makes people better at what they do
[1:27:50 PM] bob sprankle says: the more you change, the better you become
[1:27:53 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: The more you change the better you become at what you do: amen.
[1:28:04 PM] David Jakes says: wow, what a cool statement
[1:28:06 PM] Cathy Nelson says: but mudt be willing to adapt and change
[1:28:09 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: amplyfied by sharing
[1:28:19 PM] David Jakes says: how much does the network promote this?
[1:28:25 PM] Cathy Nelson says: how to spread that gospel?
[1:28:40 PM] David Jakes says: Second Point: Don't make your people take the 5th Amendment
[1:29:03 PM] Dean Shareski says: shut your twitterhole!
[1:29:05 PM] David Jakes says: Have your say!
[1:29:14 PM] bob sprankle says: don't make a fool of yourself... don't speak...
[1:29:40 PM] David Jakes says: Shareski's last two comments were about Jacksquat and Twitterhole
[1:29:57 PM] Brian Mull says: That's an edit
[1:30:06 PM] David Jakes says: yep
[1:30:07 PM] bob sprankle says: the minute you introduce any condition on how people can publish their work, most won't do it
[1:30:07 PM] Dean Shareski says: Hey it's public
[1:30:13 PM] David Jakes says: ok
[1:30:14 PM] Cathy Nelson says: its a "cut"
[1:30:32 PM] David Jakes says: what is said in the chatcast stays in the chatcast
[1:30:43 PM] David Jakes says: or not
[1:30:52 PM] Dean Shareski says: my life's an open book...sort of
[1:30:55 PM] Cathy Nelson says: i thought we had to agree to possible poblication to join?
[1:31:13 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: @David comes back to what kind of a space is a chatcast. ;)
[1:31:16 PM] David Jakes says: He is showing guidelines for self publishing, anyone have anything like that in their organization?
[1:31:33 PM] David Jakes says: @darren, nicely done
[1:31:53 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan is showing one on a wiki
[1:31:58 PM] Cathy Nelson says: address?
[1:32:06 PM] Dean Shareski says: http://edubuzz.pbwiki.com (Be sure to see this)
[1:32:11 PM] Cathy Nelson says: thx
[1:32:13 PM] David Jakes says: thanks
[1:32:14 PM] Barbara says: edubuzz.pbwiki.com/socialmediastaff (Be sure to see this)
[1:32:24 PM] Brian Mull says: hard to see it in the back with the power hogs
[1:32:32 PM] Cathy Nelson says: lol
[1:33:15 PM] David Jakes says: He is suggesting copying this and placing it in your own wiki and have your people mash it up.
[1:33:33 PM] David Jakes says: Point 3: Blogs are conversations, so converse!
[1:31:41 PM] bob sprankle says: edubuzz.org... wiki owned by the people
[1:35:31 PM] Brian Mull says: Ewan and i discussed this yesterday. It's the problem with large US school. Do the teachers really know the kids?
[1:36:18 PM] David Jakes says: We need teachers who are will to know kids in mulitple dimensions, attend a play, a game, etc. Our teachers go home at 330
[1:36:19 PM] Barbara says: wirearchy is messy
[1:36:30 PM] David Jakes says: will=willing
[1:36:48 PM] Dean Shareski says: I need the podcast for this! Good thing Bob Sprankle's here....wirearchy in action
[1:36:57 PM] Cathy Nelson says: sorry bout that dave
[1:37:07 PM] David Jakes says: This one will require pondering, I agree Dean
[1:37:16 PM] Brian Mull says: @David At my old schools, teachers were required to go to a given number of student athletic events, concerts, or something like that per month.
[1:38:14 PM] David Jakes says: You can set up Technorati to watch what people are saying about you and other people you are interested in
[1:38:50 PM] David Jakes says: Point 4: Its not patronizing to patronize.
[1:39:44 PM] Dean Shareski says: http://edubuzz.org/blogs/donsblog
Running out of time...
[1:39:44 PM] David Jakes says: Point 5: Don't do a me-too.
[1:40:07 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan says: Getting on vs. getting egg on your face
[1:40:15 PM] David Jakes says: nice slides
[1:40:41 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan: What do you really want?
[1:40:52 PM] David Jakes says: Ewan: Why do you want everyone to do that?
[1:43:13 PM] Cathy Nelson says: i make technorati but im not impressed
[1:43:19 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Ewan is BRILLIANT.
[1:43:24 PM] David Jakes says: Scary good
[1:43:25 PM] Cathy Nelson says: plus i have a fairly commmon name
[1:43:38 PM] Cathy Nelson says: ewan is a fave of mine
[1:43:55 PM] David Jakes says: Resist making the implicit more explicit than it needs to be
[1:44:03 PM] bob sprankle says: he is a genius
[1:44:05 PM] bob sprankle says: agreed
[1:44:51 PM] David Jakes says: He is suggesting a very connected social public body
[1:45:10 PM] David Jakes says: We all know how important this is but how to amplify this and pull more people in?
[1:45:12 PM] Dean Shareski says: EWan once did an impromptu skype video session from a pub while I was doing a session with teachers....he's very public
[1:45:40 PM] Cathy Nelson says: a real risk taker
[1:45:43 PM] David Jakes says: Wow
[1:45:45 PM] bob sprankle says: wow
[1:45:45 PM] Brian Mull says: Awesome
[1:45:46 PM] Cathy Nelson says: a pub???
[1:45:51 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Let's go for a beer.
[1:45:54 PM] David Jakes says: Thanks everyone
[1:45:59 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Cheers!
[1:46:00 PM] Dean Shareski says: that was worth the conference
[1:46:06 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Yup.
[1:46:10 PM] Cathy Nelson says: what's next? or is that it today
[1:46:31 PM] Cathy Nelson says: other than the f2f im sure youll have lots of
[1:46:38 PM] David Jakes says: Thats it Cathy, except for the conversations and the trip tonight to Quincy Market
[1:46:56 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: off to finish my presentations.
[1:46:58 PM] Cathy Nelson says: post your agenda for tomorrow plse
[1:47:02 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: Byte.
[1:47:05 PM] Cathy Nelson says: and thanks for letting me in
[1:47:13 PM] Darren Kuropatwa says: byte=bye. ;)
[1:47:16 PM] David Jakes says: sure, its on my blog but I need to make some changes

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